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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

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Brian

it should read "comedians".

Linda in Blue Bell

"nearly cost the I-man his job"?

Brian

Yeah, I noticed that too.
????

stdomsgirl

In Boston - the cradle of Irishness in America on St. Patrick's Day & no Cardinal from Bernie? As I said before, 'Tis a Cardinl sin. The old Imus & the gang had been silenced last April by the creepy black man named Sharpton etal. I'm still outraged. It used to be a must see & listen program in order to get a saavy slant to the Political news of the day with edgy comedy added. Oh well, as I said before it's R. I. P. for the old IITM show. Gawd! Do I mourn & miss it!

stdomsgirl

BTW - I fail to see or hear any comedy from Karith & Tony. Comedians you say? Not.

Brian

That's the MAIN reason I want and I NEED McCain to win in November.

I want the Democrats to reap what they sowed by getting Imus off the air in April.

I lost the show I LOVED, now I want Hillary and the Democrats to lose the White House as a result.

If I was a bigger person I would turn the cheek, but I'm not.
I'd still want McCain to win even if April had nver happened, but NOW oh MAN!
I want McCain to win by 25% in Nov!

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stdomsgirl

When I DO die ~ I hope I DO R. I. P. - LOL

Mel

I'm with STDOMSGIRL and Brian...I'm afraid our must-listen, edgy, provocative, brilliant show is gone forever. It makes me sad and angry too.

I couldn't even understand a word Tony said this morning - what is with that fake tone he uses? The guy went to a fancy prep school in Manhattan and the University of Virginia and that is not how he speaks and it's insulting.

imusstinks

I totally agree! I think Imus should be taken off the air, his show stinks! Lets all write into WABC and tell them how much we dislike his show and want him gone!!

Susan

Who is the petty anonymous poster? Nobody is saying Imus should be fired although I doubt his ratings are through the roof or he's gaining listeners. People are commenting that the old show is gone forever which sucks. Many of us worried a pussified Imus would return blah blah we know he's a better person yada yada yada

I'm sorry but after hearing Obama's bullcrap, you know what? He's just another politician who will say and do anything to get elected.

Susan

Obama weighing in on Imus saying in a statement: "The comments of Don Imus were divisive, hurtful, and offensive to Americans of all backgrounds."

Rev. Wright is not these things and Imus is?

donaldinks

Well since the last comment was on at 11:56 A.M., my guess is many of you have had a chance to hear Barack Obama on Rev. Wright. It's quiet in here...crickets are chirping...

This episode only proves one thing to me: the latent and continuous racist attitudes that prevail, and continue in America today.

Imus made me proud on his first day back after being fired by his introductory speech.

Obama has done the same for me today.

Reminds me of the song "American Tune" by Paul Simon.

Many's the time I've been mistaken
And many times confused
Yes, and I've often felt forsaken
And certainly misused
Oh, but I'm all right, I'm all right
I'm just weary to my bones
Still, you don't expect to be
Bright and bon vivant
So far away from home, so far away from home

And I don't know a soul who's not been battered
I don't have a friend who feels at ease
I don't know a dream that's not been shattered
or driven to its knees
but it's all right, it's all right
for we lived so well so long
Still, when I think of the
road we're traveling on
I wonder what's gone wrong
I can't help it, I wonder what's gone wrong

And I dreamed I was dying
I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly
And looking back down at me
Smiled reassuringly
And I dreamed I was flying
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea
And I dreamed I was flying

We come on the ship they call the Mayflower
We come on the ship that sailed the moon
We come in the age's most uncertain hours
and sing an American tune
Oh, and it's alright, it's all right, it's all right
You can't be forever blessed
Still, tomorrow's going to be another working day
And I'm trying to get some rest
That's all I'm trying to get some rest

stdomsgirl

Donaldinks: Beautiful words - they should be published. You are the best! Mary is lucky to have you - or maybe you are lucky to have Mary! God Bless you both. :-)

alice

Donald, I've been thinking about Wright's comments and I am still sorting out my thoughts. One question I have is what will it take to make everyone happy? What can whites do to please blacks and other races, and vice versa? Is it always going to be the white man's fault no matter what? I think that Rev. Wright is trying to perpetuate bad feelings instead of promoting healing. I just can't get past the "G'damn America" comment. I wouldn't have spent 5 minutes in his church. I can't help but wonder why Obama did.

yes it's me

Those words HAVE been published! As Donald said, they are from Paul Simon. Thanks for sharing Mr.Inks :)

Obama NOW SAYS that he did hear those remarks . He has lied to us and who can trust him? NOT I said the anonymous poster....

She Works Hard For The Money

Uh, Donald...the reason why I didn't comment on Obama's speech wasn't because I have a "latent racist attitude." I didn't comment because I was at work. Not everyone can watch the news while they're on the job.

Be careful before you cry "racism."

donaldinks

"This episode only proves one thing to me: the latent and continuous racist attitudes that prevail, and continue in America today."

The above comment was not directed at any poster, but it stands on it's own.
Ok, "She Works Hard For The Money"?

I.E "in America today."

Paul Simon expressed His view pretty clearly in one very apt line above:

"We come in the age's most uncertain hours
and sing an American tune
Oh, and it's alright, it's all right, it's all right
You can't be forever blessed"

...as in God Bless America...

Just a thought.


Bella

Barack Obama will never be President of the United States.

I almost fell for it.

He sat and listened to Jeremiah Wright for 20 years because he agrees with him.

Oh, but he is clever. He took his problem and turned it around so now it is our problem.

It may come as a surprise but the people I know don't sit around talk about how much we hate black people, not in the barber shop, the beauty shop, or the dinner table. If blacks do that, it's time they looked at themselves and stop putting everything on the "evil white race".

We talked about how Imus hurt feelings and I think we were all sympathetic to that fact. But frankly the words of Jeremiah Wright has hurt my feelings and not a single person has apologized for them.

donaldinks

What most proud (OVERLY) Americans have expressed is this:

America can do no wrong.

America has DONE no wrong.

But if that is not the case, some people believe..there is such a thing as Karma.

...or as Jeshua (Jesus) taught:

Whatever you sow...also shall you reap.

donaldinks

Pardon my typo: Jeshua actually is Yeshua...Jesus' name.

alice

Bella, Very well said. I don't sit around and talk about ANY race. Nor do I know anyone who does. I believe you can find good and bad people in all races. Yeh, Bella, when will we hear an apology? Heck, I even apologize for things I had NOTHING to do with....i.e. slavery, the long walk, etc....Seems there is a bit of a double standard. I'm tired of being responsible for others' problems. You're right Bella, Obama cleverly made his problem ours.

Mary Lynn

So much for Obama.

But NO cardinal on St. Pat's day????

Sorry everyone, you are picking on stdomsgirl but she spekas the truth!!!

Imus has the nads of gnat now. Why the F doesn't he just move to Africa? If MichaelJackson can become white, why doesn't Imus become black? Far more preferable than the race he belongs to!!

Brian

Just how anti-American are you Donald, jeez.

Ok, now you'll just say you're not really, right.

So this Wright guy comes up there says racially charged things, and you back him up saying how inherently racist everyone in America is?

Bellas right, white people don't sit around and talk about how evil black people are , ok?

Man, there sure are some anti-American people out here aren't there, wow.
This Wright guy is CRAZY and the anti-Americans back him up, and you talk about how racist WE are??? Got a mirror??

And Tony ? All I can say is, if Tony wasn't black, he wouldn't be on the show anymore.
It's really incredible how unfunny and ameteurish he is.

Now that makes me a racist, right, I forgot, cuz there's no GOOD excuse for criticising any black person anyWHERE, ever, right?

You guys call yourselves intellectuals, but your way of thinking is the opposite of intellectualism.
It's mentally stifling.

lol defending Wright and calling US racist, that's a good one .....

I-Man Fan (I-Fannie)

I'm with Bella and Alice. The people with chips on their shoulders DO make their problems ours. Ministers like Wright stir the pot of racism over and over again. You cannot get past all of this by keeping it stirred up as apparently BHO's church did. It's easy, oh so easy, to have a great speech to put forth to the people but "your actions are speaking so loudly, I cannot hear what you're saying", Mr. Obama!!!!

ya think?

I GUESS OBAMA IS NOT WALKING ON WATER ANYMORE EH.

Bella

If we want to quote the Bible, it says "do not let the root of bitterness spring up in your heart." Now, everybody has what they believe to be reason to be bitter about something or other, but for a minister of the gospel, so called, to feed that is a sin.

Miss Missy

Why didn't Yeshua or Jehovah or God make everyone the same color? Geez...

Brian, great post BTW

ya think?

HATE AND BITTERNESS IS SPEWING FROM THAT PREACHER LIKE WATER FROM A PIPE LEAK. DOES HE THINK THAT PREACHING HATE IS GONNA HELP SPREAD THE "SOCIAL GOSPEL" ? I MISS THE OLD IMUS A L OT: AM TRYING TO BE LOYAL AND SUPPORTIVE AND I LOVE IMUS, BUT HE HAS GONE A LITTLE OVERBOARD WITH PC AND I BELIEVE HE IS STILL TRYING TO GET OVER ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT HAPPENED NEARLY A YEAR AGO.

Mary Lynn

I REALLY wish Charles, Bernie & Lou would dump Imus and get jobs where people appreciated them.Imus has been disgraceful iin the way he has treated them and always pointing out how much better his show is now??

How about the the guys who put you on the top, you F'ing phony!!! I gues it is true: Your hearing IS gone!!

And no more crap from people saying I'm out of line. No cardinal on St. Pat's day was a real put down for Bernie. You alll know the show sucks!!
Also switching to Newman's Own products. He helps a hell of lot more kids a year than Mr. imus.

Al

Alice and Bella,
Not that I am trying to convince you, or that I think I can, but you must at least be open-minded enough to consider the fact that the reason you don't sit around talking about race is because white people are FAR less likely than African-Americans to have to face race discrimination on a daily basis. That's the privilege white people have in America: the privilege of not having to live every day conscious of their skin color.

Again, I know ou're fixed on your positions, but I want you at least to respect that point of view.

Al

Brian,
First, your blanket accusation of anti-Americanism is laughable. Based on what I have read from you on this blog, I am 100% confident that I care more about America than you do. Dissent is a hallmark of patriotism.

Al

Barack Obama's speech today was inspired, unifying, and important. American patriots who want this nation to be better than it is should feel great about the candidacy of Barack Obama. It is perhaps the most significant speech on race in years.

ashley e

i like brian and agree with him, btw. :)

Brian

I just can't get over the irony of how people are defending Wright (either directly or indirectly) and then those same people call white people racist.

Al, for instance saying how he wants so badly for Obama to be Pres.
Hey, Al what would happen if a white guy had a "mentor" and "uncle" like that and he wanted to be Pres.?

I'm not fixed on any position at all.
I have an open mind. But I do have a tendency like most of us here to reject studpid arguments, sorry.

Obama was supposed to be the candidate who put the issue of race aside.
Well that's over.
This reminds me of what happened to Imus.
All the bastards who called for him to be fired and now those same a-holes are saying we should give Obama the benefit of the doubt.
He listens to a guy who is crazy, and "Disagrees" with him.
Obama IS actually changing his story too.
He said he hadn't heard this bs that Wright was preaching, now he says he has heard it but disagrees with it.
Well what exactly is the "mentor" title supposed to mean?

Don't you guys see the blatant hypocracy involved in supporting all of this?
You guys come on here and rail against racism that you percieve to be in all or most whites, then you want Obama to be Pres.

How do you reconcile that?
I'm not saying Obama is a racist, but his "mentor" certainly is.

I recorded the speech this morning, but for some reason the feed stopped.
Weird.

stdomsgirl

Mary Lynn: Thanks for your support - I've been wondering where you have been lately. Am glad that you see that the Emporer {Imus}is no longer wearing clothes. The gang - Charles - Bernie & Lou dressed Imus & his show & made it a popular must see & listen to each morning from 6am - 9am. In fact, for a little while last year it was broadcast from 5:30am till 9am & I was very happy about that - even though I had to get up a 1/2 earlier He is acting as a Judas by kissing Bernie's Cardinal good-bye on St. Patrick's Day. Charles & Lou have also been given short shrift while he lauds Karith & Tony, the no-talent usurpers. Gawd, I DO miss the old show, but I guess I'll just have to get over it! It has GONE. The OTHERS have won.

Al

Brian,
Once again, you need to think from a different point of view. You ask "Hey, Al what would happen if a white guy had a "mentor" and "uncle" like that and he wanted to be Pres.?" If a white candidate had a mentor or "uncle" who preached black liberation theology, I would be pleasantly surprised. Now, if the question is about having a WHITE mentor who held divisive or intolerant points of view, I would, and HAVE, supported them. Bill Clinton had a segregationist mentor as a young man, and I voted for him twice for president. I would have voted for John F. Kennedy for president, even though he belonged to a church that preaches intolerance towards homosexuals. I would have voted for Harry S. Truman, even though he once joined the KKK. I would have voted for Lyndon Johnson, even though the number of bigoted mentors he had as a young man is many. Get it yet? I don't condemn Barack Obama because he has a relationship with a man whose views are different from his.

Brian

Al, you say you love America?
Well loving something acknowledges that there are things about it that aren't perfect.

Nothing is perfect. America isn't perfect.
But how do we get better at racial relations in this country with "you're a racist!" "there is blatant racism everywhere!" accusations beign thrown around?

You think you can reach people by throwing the "Racism" label out all the time?
Good luck.
You just turn people away from you when you label someone a racist for disagreeing with you.

I've seen so many posts on this board where people accuse me or someone like Mel of being ignorant and racist.
And you wnat us to be united with you after you use those words?
Not gonna happen. We aren't self hating like that.
We don't crave approval like Imus does right now.

I think about what MLK went through and how he went HIGHER to be above all the crap he went through.
Same with Fredrick Douglass. I would bet that most kids today in public school don't know who Douglass even is.
That includes so many black children.
They'll know who Rev. Wright is tho.

MLK never hated white people. That's what made it possible for him to unite with them.
He didn't say "you're ALL racists! and it's your fault we are in this situation! btw, we want you to act better towards us"
White people would have turned away from him.
For some reason white people don't enjoy being labeled racist all the time , I'll be darned.

Brian

So "black liberation theology" is what they call is now huh?

o.k.

Al

To address the issue of Obama "changing his story", this is not so. On CNN a couple of days ago, Obama was responding to a specific set of clips Anderson Cooper played, saying he was not present when those comments (the "gd America" comment, specifically). And in fact, despite the fact that some right wing moron tried to say Obama WAS there when Wright said that, records prove Obama wasn't. What Obama acknowledged today was that, over 20 years, Obama HAD been present when Wright said things that were controversial. Obama also made clear he didn't agree with those comments. Finally, he said that, despite the sometimes fiery rhetoric, the church does a LOT of good for the community, much as the often intolerant catholic and christian evangelical churches do.

stdomsgirl

Wright just might be the 'Soul on Ice' that Eldridge Cleaver wrote about. I shivered then - when I read that book - I still shiver today when I hear the Rev. saying much the same thoughts - albeit - updated to modern times.

Brian,
You misrepresent Frederick Douglass, who agitated his whole adult life against both injustice, white power, AND was not afraid to tell it like it was to a group of otherwise friendly white people. In 1852, he gave a speech to a group of ABOLITIONISTS, known as the "fourth of july speech". In it, Douglass said:

"This Fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacreligious irony."

Here are two more great Douglass quotes that reinforce my feelings exactly:

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. "

"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe. "

Brian

The thing about Bernie:
Imus is feeling some pretty bad things towards him right now obviously.

He is redirecting his anger towards him and not the bastards who got him fired.
Moonves is a "great guy" and all that.
Sharpton is someone he would want in his foxhole. Right.

But Bernie has been shafted.
Imus has issues right now.
He keeps talking about how the show is SO much better.
Please. What a joke.
Being afriad to tell Karith and Tony they suck is better huh?
Well then he'd be called a racist again.

It just pisses me off that we all lost that show. Add the predictable PC chants of "youre all racist and sexist for liking the show" UGH....

My dad always used to say "listen to this point of view you migh tlearn something new!"
Oh yeah I've learned alot of new things.
That I'm now a racist for liking the old show, America bascially is filled with racist, and if I don't agree with a lib point of view I'm wrong. And a racist, too.

It's like what the "old" Imus said to Barnicle "You're such a PUSSY! You're so irritating it makes my HAIR HURT!"
"God you're irritating!" Everybody remember that great exchange?
Now of course, Imus would never say that, or Karith would say "that's MEAN Don!"

I swear Karith sounds like a TOTAL airhead.
Uh oh there I go being racist again, right?
I criticisied Barnicle too, so does that mean I hate all WHITE people too? But I'm white...
lol ok, time for a break.

Brian

When Douglass first heard Lincoln he was disgusted by him.

Then he changed. Douglass was a very smart guy who had an open mind and that how Lincoln and he became such good friends.

There are problems in this country, but you don't call everyone a racist and bigoted and then expect them to fall all over themselves
hoping you start loving them.
It doesn't work that way.

Bella

There may have been a place for Jeremiah in the 1960's but, Jeeesus, this is 2008.

I have lived though some tremendous progress that this "USKKKA" has made in the past fifty, sixty years. Now, I ask you, if it is true, as Wright said, that this country is run by "rich, white people" (meaning a derogatory slur) then how in the hell did we get from 1960 to 2008 if white people didn't contribute to this progress? It is a slap in the face not to recognize that white folks have helped make this happen.

Obama had a real chance of becoming president but it is over.


ashley e

amen bella!

Brian

Great point Bella.

Al

Brian,
You are correct that Douglass's views on Lincoln changed from his first meeting with him. However, to say they became "good friends" is a gross overstatement. Years after Lincoln's death, Douglass said of Lincoln that "He was preeminently the white man’s President, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country."

It would be most fair to say that they had a mutual respect and, after emancipation, worked together to press for the raising of black soldiers and the passage of the 13th amendment.

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